September 9, 2004

PAYD (Pay As You Drive) Insurance

Posted by tomo at 01:15 AM in transportation . | 10 Comments

Maybe you've heard of it before. If not here is a rundown of why we should get the option of insurance-by-the-mile.

Econ 101 says that when something is free, people consume too much. In this case, all-you-can-drive insurance encourages people to drive more than they otherwise would if they had to pay the full cost of each mile. The heavy drivers don't bear the total costs related to their actions -- hospital bills, body-shop bills, highway congestion.
Progressive Auto Insurance has a pilot program that used GPS to track mileage and recently there was a similar program in the UK. Oregon has laws that incentivize insurance companies to offer PAYD insurance which is needed because the industry is otherwise reluctanct to make the first move -- although they'd pay out less money because the number of accidents would go down they'd also bring in less revenue from some customers. I guess the trick is to get one insurance company (i.e. Progressive) to make the first move and start stealing customers from other companies until they all start offering the same deal. I know I drive less than the average 15000 or so miles a year and I'm sick of subsidizing those who drive 60 miles round trip from some outer Detroit suburb to work everyday.


 

Comments

How do you feel about an insurance company tracking your every move? Knowing where you go and when you go there. Maybe you don't drive as much as you pay for, but how much is your privacy worth to you?

Posted by: ryan at September 9, 2004 10:34 AM

But then one could afford a nice car in an expensive insurance city, say... Philadelphia.

Posted by: polamex at September 9, 2004 10:41 AM

My uncle (and co-founder of better world club: http://www.betterworldclub.com) is a big advocate of pay as you insurance. When I brought up privacy issues with him, he said that progressive's gps isn't very detailed, so they don’t know exactly where you are, just generally. I still wouldn’t want that, but I wouldn’t mind if my car ‘beamed’ how many miles I drove a day to some computer somewhere.

Posted by: brette at September 9, 2004 11:45 AM

I would prefer to just have the odometer checked periodically. It has advantages and disadvantages but may make sense for a less fine-grained discount on auto insurance, e.g. "You drove 5000 miles less than the projected 15000 miles last year, here is a rebate of $300" or something.

Posted by: agent1073 at September 9, 2004 11:51 AM

Better World Club is pretty neat. Roadside bicycle assistance.. and

Consumer Tips: Here are some things you should know about auto insurance:

1. DON'T GET IN AN ACCIDENT.

Posted by: agent1073 at September 9, 2004 11:54 AM

Polamex: It might not help city folk because by using GPS the insurance company could base rates on factors such as the crime rates of where you take your car, the quality of roads, how often accidents happen in the intersections you traverse, etc..

Brette: I agree. I imagine as a pilot program Progressive is only investing so much in the technology. But I could see much more detailed analysis of each drivers habits if this kind of insurance program really starts taking off.

As a final note, GPS can be used to estimate the speed at which you drive. If you are driving down 71 and make it from exit x to exit y in z time, now your insurance company knows how fast you are travelling. No need to get speeding tickets to jack up your rates.

Posted by: ryan at September 9, 2004 12:16 PM

Ryan: on the flip side, safer (slower) drivers would be rewarded as well. Safe driving would be encouraged in a way fundamentally different from the current spotty enforcement of speed limits.

Posted by: agent1073 at September 9, 2004 1:14 PM

That is true, but I still find it hard to swallow the "you are being watched for your own good" argument.

I dig the idea you proposed of a rebate based on milage not used for a year. The data collection in this scenario is very limited. The GPS thing is just too much though.

Posted by: ryan at September 9, 2004 1:25 PM

I think the GPS thing is okay as long as it stays voluntary. 'Course there are those car black boxes they're talking about too.

Posted by: polamex at September 9, 2004 2:59 PM

Well, Progressive has discontinued their AutoGraph program which uses GPS because it was too expensive. Now they have a program in Minnesota called TripSense where they send you an device that plugs into your OBD port, but it can only be used on 1996 and newer cars. https://tripsense.progressive.com/home.aspx It keeps track of mileage, speed, and time of day, but not location. You periodically take the device and upload the data to your computer and have a chance to look at the data before submitting it to Progressive. This way you have the choice of whether or not to submit it. They only see your driving data once you've sent it to them. This really helps avoid the privacy issue. Also, with Pay as you Drive insurance, low income people will be more able to afford insurance and therefore reducing the number of uninsured motorists. It think it's great and we need to get it implemented in all states as soon as possible.

Posted by: Abby at November 1, 2004 3:22 PM